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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/21/2003 1:40 pm  
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Busload Arrested and Led Away from Ten Commandments

Supporters of Chief Justice Roy Moore have been handcuffed and led away from the
Ten Commandments monument in Montgomery. They had refused to leave the monument
after Moore lost a last-ditch appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court this afternoon.
The federal judge who ordered the monument's removal is now expected to consider
a contempt of court finding on Friday. That could set the stage for the monument
to be removed ... or fines imposed on the state.

Scores of Moore supporters sang and prayed outside the building as about 20
inside were removed from the rotunda. It wasn't immediately known if they would
be charged by Montgomery police.

Associate Justice Douglas Johnston issued a statement saying he had proposed
moving the monument to a private area of the judicial building after six o'clock
this evening. He said that would avert any fines while Moore pursues appeals
that could take months. But he said fewer than five of the justices concurred,
and his proposal was not approved.

The associate justices have indicated they may take action later.




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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    8/22/2003 9:51 am  
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very incredible situation.  the final judgment by the US Supreme Court will tell us where God stands in this nation, [as if we didn't already know.]
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/22/2003 3:42 pm  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (3 of 43)  
 
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Hi Amy,

 

Excellent point.

 

Its amazing to see how anything Good, Honorable, Decent, Kind and Christian is now Unacceptable to our God Hating Government.

 

This is just my opinion ..

 

God Bless You,

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/22/2003 3:43 pm  
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http://www.townhall.com/columnists/marvinolasky/printmo20030821.shtml

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Beyond fight-or-flight

Marvin Olasky 

August 21, 2003

Say what you will about Roy Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court, he does know how to restart a vital national debate that had been stalled. Facing head-on the problems inherent in removing reverence from public spaces, two years ago he dropped into the rotunda of the Alabama Judicial Building in downtown Montgomery a two-and-a-half ton block of granite topped by an etched copy of the Ten Commandments. 


Alabama citizens who elected him chief justice in 2000 knew what they were getting. He kicked off his campaign in the local courtroom where he had hung a plaque of the Ten Commandments. He ran on the publicity he had gained by successfully defying a judicial order to remove the plaque (which he had carved himself) from his courtroom. 

In an age of bland politicians, Moore is willing to stand firm and speak out. If other officials were also willing to be bold, voters who value courage would not be so excited by movie actors who display special effects heroism. So it's no surprise that many national talk show guests are hyperventilating about Moore and many editorial pages are ablaze. 

Meanwhile, some evangelicals are siding with Moore out of appreciation for his guts, and others are fleeing from him, less they be seen by secular neighbors as fundamentalists trying to drop heavy-handed religious beliefs on others like cartoon characters drop anvils on their pursuers. Frequently lost amid the fight-or-flight reactions are the specific arguments.

Here are matters to keep in mind: The American founders and their successors clearly felt free to depart from the particular civic statutes of ancient Israel, but they largely based our legal system on biblical moral law, so there's nothing heinous with showcasing the most famous statement of that moral law. 

Almost all Alabama citizens recognize the Ten Commandments as something special, and displaying them (as opposed to a cross or a passage from the book of Romans) is largely inclusive, since Jews and Muslims -- as well as Christians -- revere the words from chapter 20 of Exodus. 

Furthermore, the First Amendment was designed not to keep state rotundas Bible-free but to keep the federal government from establishing a denomination (like the Episcopalians) as the preferred group to which state-required taxes and tithes had to flow. Even with that amendment now applied to states through the 14th amendment, no one is alleging that Moore in his court decisions has replaced Alabama state law with Leviticus, or that those who do not honor the Ten Commandments are silenced in his courtroom. 

And yet, questions abound about the wisdom of setting up an in-your-face monument. Christianity is sometimes mistakenly seen as a religion of legalism rather than one centered on warm-hearted but tough-minded compassion -- so Christians often must think through how best to communicate, in the words of Psalm 19, that the rules of the Lord are sweeter than honey. Questions should ask include: How does a particular action further the gospel? What does it teach nonbelievers about God? Is it likely to draw them in or alienate them? 

If Moore is criticized for waving a red cloak at federal judges, U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson should also be faulted for acting like a bull and ordering the $5,000-per-day fines. Must a federal court automatically boss around a state Supreme Court? Shouldn't there be mutual respect and patience, until issues that cannot be resolved are eventually settled by the U.S. Supreme Court? But now that the feds have been aggressive, should Christians respond with belligerence? 

Daniel in the Bible had no choice but to continue praying to God in his home when Babylon's king outlawed such prayer. Daniel, however, did not pray in front of the king's palace. Are the feds telling Moore that he cannot speak of his faith, in which case he has no choice but to stand firm? Or are they offering harassment but not persecution? In that case, a gentle response might better serve the cause of Christ. 


Marvin Olasky is Editor of WORLD magazine, a TownHall.com member group.

2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

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  From:  JackTallant   8/23/2003 7:07 am  
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>>Its amazing to see how anything Good, Honorable, Decent, Kind and Christian is now Unacceptable to our God Hating Government.<< 
Yep, we're goin' to war n' killin everywhere, cuttin' aid to poor folks, cuttin' SS, helpin' the rich. Makes ya wonder, WWJD? 

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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    8/23/2003 8:39 am  
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It just amazes me.  

>>should Christians respond with belligerence.<<<

no, but anything Christians do in regard to this will be SEEN as 'belligerence.'  [IMO]  

this whole case is persecution, IMO.  

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  From:  Strings17   8/23/2003 8:46 am  
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Our government has always had God haters in it,it was the people who kept them in check,it was the people who forgot God and chose to remove him from their lives.The people point the finger of blame at the government and say why are "they" so evil and why do "they" do what"they"do while never asking what WE could have done and why WE didnt do it.The average citizen is every bit as evil as the goverment they just dont have the power to execute it,when its too much to ask for someone to stop at a red light you cant expect much else."War'n and killin? well why not question the terrorist about that and the ones who want to push Israel into the sea and hate America because we are a friend to Gods people,do they not bear any blame.There would be no need for government programs if it were not for people who simply dont want to bother with their elderly or poor family members and are all to willing to cast them onto the state to care for,again who is to blame?,one day when our grandchildren ask us what went wrong and why America is either no more or a empty shell of what she was will we have the guts to tell them that it was just as much OUR fault as it was "theirs" and "them" and "they" and "those" I doubt it,human nature has not changed since Eden when Adam and Eve created the first excuses and played the first blame game,ask yourself this,why are there not countless millions of people in Alabamba standing along side Judge Moore?why is he for the most part alone? where are all the good christian people who are just helpless victims of this evil goverment? 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/23/2003 12:23 pm  
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Hi Strings17,

 

Excellent post!!

 

I say we should make a plaque out of it and place in Alabama next to Judge Moores 10 Commandments plaque.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/23/2003 12:49 pm  
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To Everyone,

 

All the postings are Excellent, Great input!!

 

I have really been praying that God would Bless us and keep the Commandments public at least while the Church is still here, we havent lost this one yet and I hope that as a Nation we dont.

 

I wonder at the people (our leaders) who expect us to follow their leadership and their rules and laws yet they in turn Refuse to Follow Gods laws. Im sure that they think that they are above God and His laws but they are not. Also it is really sad that they have accomplished probably nothing in their life except to graduate from college, they arent Veterans, they havent Invented anything or really done anything positive for society yet they are determined to make all of society bow at their presence and to believe the way that they do, very, very sick, and Nazi like.

 

It looks like this is going to the Supreme Court and they are hoping the Supreme will rule against it and then they will also remove the 10 Commandments that are Chiseled into the side of the Supreme Court building. You can see the wisdom of Judge Moore in wanting this to go to the Supreme Court because they will have to rule that their own 10 Commandments Monument is illegal and if that happens, we will have a real notice that our Nation is hitting bottom. After all the homosexual rights votes that the supreme court has been handing down and forcing on society I really hope that they have some decency and dont vote against Gods 10 Commandments.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    8/24/2003 8:27 am  
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Hi David,

I hope we don't lose it either, but in my heart of hearts, I can't imagine it would go the way we hope it will.  There's just too much going on now...and I don't know what can happen inside of that.   I hate to sound pessimisstic, but where the world is concerned, it's pretty hard not to.  OTOH, where God is concerned, anything can happen!

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/25/2003 12:08 pm  
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Monday, August 25, 2003

22 things about the Bible that drives the left crazy

Posted: August 25, 2003

1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Doug Powers

 2003 WorldNetDaily.com 

Mel Gibson's movie "The Passion," about the last 12 hours of Jesus' life is months away from release, and is already controversial. We've also got an Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice facing fines or jail time for refusing to remove the Ten Commandments from the courthouse, and people continue to try to get the words "under God" removed from the Pledge of Allegiance. Just what is it about the Bible that drives left-wingers crazy? 

When I say "left wingers," I'm speaking specifically about the far left. Those who spend inordinate amounts of time analyzing what you believe in, and not a single second on introspection. The people who try to eliminate any mention of God or Jesus in public places, but think it's perfectly fine to try and tell us that "Jesus was a liberal" via a sticker on the bumper their sloth-paced, battery-powered "savior of the ozone" vehicles  on public roads no less. 

These are the kind of people who will burn thousands of gallons of jet fuel to fly to an environmental summit meeting, and "it takes a village" types who will gladly torch "the village" if they find out "the village" is using rabbits for medical research. The folks who decry violence in all of its forms, and yet are fully prepared to go on a hunger strike if the government doesn't give Ted Kaczynski his stuff back. 

The way left. Terminal campus-dwelling know-betters with THC-clogged neurotransmitters who actually think Phil Donahue is kept off the air because of an organized conspiracy. Those leftists who sacrificed the better part of their lives just to get the FDA to have nutritional information put on the wrapper of a Snickers bar, and are positive that the real reason the dinosaurs became extinct was coconut oil. Those people. 

A quick glance at the Bible, and it's not difficult to see why the tight sphincter of the left further asphyxiates that bug up their tuchis. The Bible is full of nightmares for leftist red-tape mongers and professional rule-imposers. Take these examples: 

 

Moses parted the Red Sea without first performing an environmental impact study. 

Jesus gave a Sermon on the Mount where he talked of giving to the poor, and spoke out against greed, and all without charging attendees $300 per ticket. (Barbra Streisand only). 

The term "The Three Wise Men" is insensitive to the intellectually challenged. That should be changed to the "Trio of educationally advantaged amateur astronomers." 

Instead of gold, frankincense and myrrh, they should have brought hummus, incense and a representative from Child Protective Services. 

The Virgin Mary didn't first meet with consultants from Planned Parenthood. 

Ten plagues and still not a single person thought of nationalizing health care? 

Adam didn't ask Eve for verbal as well as written consent before touching her. 

Of course Cain killed Abel. He was obviously suffering either from bipolar disorder, low blood sugar, emotional abuse as a child, or societal neglect. 

"The trials of Job" were nothing. Try getting a job with nothing but a masters degree in Norwegian Art History  that's a test! 

Too bad Greenpeace didn't have their own ark so they could have rammed Noah's Ark. You just know that, after the flood, Noah sold those animals to the circus. 

The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah could have easily been prevented if they would have passed hate-crime legislation sooner. 

Jesus is one of the greatest teachers in history, but isn't a member of the National Education Association. In other words, God uses scab labor. 

David slew Goliath for simply because he was unfortunate enough to have been stricken with gigantism. 

"The Last Supper" didn't offer an option for people on gluten-free diets, and the fat 

The part about Jonah and the whale becoming entangled in tuna nets is conveniently passed over in the Old Testament. 

God should have spent the seventh day not resting, but rather going around putting warning stickers on all potentially dangerous, really pointy things. 

What's the big deal about Nebuchadnezzar spending seven years ingesting grass? Heck, Woody Harrelson's done it longer than that. 

The Bible mentions nothing about obtaining the necessary permits to build the Tower of Babel. 

People lived to be hundreds of years old without prescription-drug coverage? I don't think so. 

Jesus turned water into wine, which was not very mindful of those who happened to be teetering on the brink of plunging down the stairs of their 12-step program. 

Of all the wealth possessed by King Solomon, the amount he donated to environmental causes: $0. 

And the thing about the Bible that drives the left the most crazy? People can find salvation without their assistance.

 

Doug Powers is a freelance writer whose work has been read by millions of Internet denizens.




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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    8/25/2003 10:26 pm  
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harsh.  

:)

"And the thing about the Bible that drives the left the most crazy? People can find salvation without their assistance."

i think it also drives 'leftists' crazy, because they know that the Bible is true, that God is true, and that they are sinners in need of a Savior...

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/25/2003 10:40 pm  
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Hi Amy,

 

That is the same thought that I had reading it that they simply want people to depend on them and not on God.

 

That is why I am becoming more content in life because I am focusing more on God and less on man.

 

God Bless You,
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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    8/25/2003 10:56 pm  
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Hi David,

I'm glad you're content. :)  It is easier to become content, when you know 'this isn't it,' too.  I've been telling my kids [a lot lately] that this life is but a fleeting moment in eternity.  while we can be good stewards of our things, time, money, etc...all of it is worthless in light of eternity.   Relationship with Jesus Christ is what is lasting, and relationships with people are the only things that matter besides belonging to Him and growing up in Him.

God bless you too, David.

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/26/2003 10:59 pm  
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Hi,

 

Im noticing in this whole scandal that the courts and the ACLU are so smug but why?

 

They are removing something in this case the 10 Commandments of God. It does not take any talent to destroy or to remove.

 

I think that they should Not be allowed to remove the 10 Commandments until they can replace them with something better the courts shouldnt be allowed to just destroy our culture and our way of life without providing something positive to replace the vacuum that they are creating.

 

Of course there is nothing better than God and His Commandments so I for one will continue to Gladly Follow God and His Brilliant ways!!

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/27/2003 12:58 pm  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/28/2003 9:46 pm  
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http://www.family.org/cforum/extras/a0027511.cfm

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August 28, 2003

The Real Ten Commandments Issue

By Don Hodel, President, Focus on the Family


Christians can't afford to acquiesce again to an out-of-control federal judiciary that has already removed prayer from the public schools and declared abortion a constitutional right.

Some are asking why we are speaking out about the display of the Ten Commandments in Alabama. Let me try to state clearly why we feel compelled to do this.

The foundation of our Constitution, our entire legal system, and most of the attitudes of our culture is the Judeo-Christian value system found in Scripture, including the Ten Commandments. There is ample historical evidence to support this proposition. It is no accident that many of the Ten Commandments are codified in law, (such as murder, theft, lying) and, formerly, many others were as well (such as swearing, adultery, Sunday work). While there has been a whittling away at these laws, like Sunday closings, it is undeniable that for most of our history both the states and the national government incorporated the rules of the Ten Commandments into laws.

People come to the United States of America precisely because of the tremendous freedom and opportunity the U.S. provides them. The foundation of that freedom and opportunity which is codified in our laws and which is incorporated into our culture is that same Judeo-Christian value system.

The United States Supreme Court began hijacking our society and hacking away at this foundation with its unwarranted and unprecedented school prayer decision. And Christians acquiesced, saying, "Well, I guess it's the law. We have no choice but to obey it."

In Roe v. Wade, America was set on a course of infanticide. And Christians acquiesced: "Well, I guess it's the law. We have no choice but to obey it."

Case after case struck at the heart of the foundational religion in this country, removing religious symbols and observances in the cause of a doctrine totally foreign to our Founding Fathers and to our foundational documents: that the separation of church and state means the complete exclusion of religion from the public square.

Now, Chief Justice Moore has forced the issue by asserting the right of the state to acknowledge God. In fact, he relies on the clear words of the Alabama Constitution, which states in its preamble, "We, the people of the State of Alabama . . . invoking the favor and guidance of Almighty God, do ordain and establish the following Constitution and form of government for the State of Alabama" [Emphasis added.]

In spite of this clear language and in spite of the language in the United States Constitution leaving to the states those powers not given to the federal government, a federal district court judge has rendered his decision that the state does not have the right to acknowledge God. 

Once again, some key Christian leaders are saying, "Well, I guess it's the law. We have no choice but to obey it." But, if we acquiesce this time in this decision, the enemies of our religious foundation will have reached a watershed event: the separation of God and state.

Once that watershed event is achieved, persecution of believers in Christianity becomes inevitable.

Chief Justice Moore could have taken an easier path, as many well-intentioned and wise Christian counselors advised. He could have said, "The Ten Commandments are simply historical and educational. They have no religious significance." After all, this is the argument made in the past that has permitted some Christian symbols to remain on public display. But, had he taken that course, several things might have occurred:

1. It might be that several Christian leaders and lawyers who have criticized him would have helped him.

2. It might be that he would have "won" and been allowed to leave the monument there.

3. It might be that other religions would have asked for the same recognition and there would have been no basis for refusing them. 

4. It most assuredly would have been clear that he had turned his back on the place of God in the formation of our nation and its laws. He would have joined with those judicial voices that deny the truth, namely, that our Constitution and laws are based on Scripture, of which these Ten Commandments are an integral part.

Some Christians are saying he chose the wrong strategy. No, he chose the right strategy. Enough is enough.

It's time to state the case clearly: America was founded on Judeo-Christian values; its Constitution and laws are solidly based on that foundation; and our concepts of fairness and equity are founded on those values. Therefore, America must stop allowing false and mistaken leaders to expunge references to God. In fact, we must retake the high ground and insist that America restore its foundation.

The attack on learning history, the rejection of Western civilization as a worthy study in some universities, is all part of this same attack on our foundation.

The attack on traditional marriage has the same purpose: to separate our society from the very roots that have made it the greatest, most open and tolerant, most productive, the most free society in the history of the world. 

Even those who do not acknowledge the God of Scripture ought not to want to do away with those good things by the ultimate destruction of its foundation.

This is why we believe the battle must be joined whatever the cost. This is why we are asking those who share our belief that the time is now to join with us as never before. 

We welcome your support and encouragement, but even more we covet your prayers.

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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   8/29/2003 1:10 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (18 of 43)  
 
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Hi David. very nice forum here. recommended by Amy. 
yes, without a doubt ALL Christians need to stand up and 
be counted on this one. 

~ Here are some awesome scriptures that my wife and I were 
reading only this morning . . . 

Isaiah 5: 

15 People shall be brought down, 
Each man shall be humbled, 
And the eyes of the lofty shall be humbled. 

16 But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, 

And God who is holy shall be hallowed in righteousness. 

18 Woe to those who draw iniquity with cords of vanity, 
And sin as if with a cart rope; 

19 That say, "Let Him make speed and hasten His work, 
That we may see it; [ie/they mock and taunt GOD] 

And let the counsel of the Holy One 
of Israel 
draw near and come, 
That we may know it." 

20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; 

Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; 

Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! 

21 Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes, 
And prudent in their own sight! 

23 Who justify the wicked for a bribe, 
And take away justice from the righteous man! 

24Therefore, as the fire devours the stubble, 
And the flame consumes the chaff, 
So their root will be as rottenness, 
And their blossom will ascend like dust; 

======================================================= 

Because they have rejected the law of the LORD of hosts, 
And despised the word of the Holy One of Israel. 

========================================================== 

25 **Therefore** the anger of the LORD is aroused against 
His people; 
He has stretched out His hand against them 
And stricken them, 
And the hills trembled. 
Their carcasses were as refuse in the midst of the streets. 

For all this His anger is not turned away, 
But His hand is stretched out still. 

================================================ 

- my wife and I were reading these scriptures only this morning; 
the very day AFTER the ten commandments at the Alabama Supreme 
Court was covered with a canvas and put in cold storage! 

~ These scriptures are prophetic for a day and time. ! 

------------------------------------------------------- 

May GOD have mercy on America if Christians and Jews BOTH 
do not take a strong, sane, BIBLICAL stand on this issue. 

=============================================== 

God bless. 

Len 


TWO HIGHLY RECOMMENDED BOOKS for those who are wondering or considering the validity of Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord: THE CASE FOR CHRIST, and THE CASE FOR FAITH, - both by journalist, legal expert, and author, Lee Strobel. - both of these books are a very, very worthwhile read. 
---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." - I Corinthians 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---

Isaiah 41:

10 Fear not, for I am with you; Be not dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you, Yes, I will help you, I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.' 11 "Behold, all those who were incensed against you Shall be ashamed and disgraced; They shall be as nothing, And those who strive with you shall perish. 12 You shall seek them and not find them-- Those who contended with you. Those who war against you Shall be as nothing, As a nonexistent thing. 13 For I, the LORD your God, will hold your right hand, Saying to you, "Fear not, I will help you.' 

VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

* Truth Triumphs Over All *

(Always "speak the Truth in Love)...[see Profile] 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
NOTHING YOU AND I CAN OR WILL EVER DO can substitute for the mercy and grace found in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ, The Lamb of God. * HE IS The ONLY Way to forgiveness and reconciliation with GOD. WITHOUT THE BLOOD ATONEMENT THERE IS NO REMISSION OF THE ETERNAL CONSEQUENCES OF SIN. ---> The ETERNAL consequences of sin. 

* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


JESUS: He Is The Ultimate Answer to every Ultimate Need and Question. - HE IS The Lord GOD and Savior: Mercy, Grace, ~ Truth and Salvation IS FOR THOSE WHO RECEIVE HIM...IN TRUTH and *from the heart.*


It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, and forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! * Be sure you answer when GOD comes knocking at the door of your heart! * 

** The choices are yours...AND the consequences: whether good or evil. ** ~ ~Ecclesiastes 12:13,14. ~ 
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  From:  JackTallant   8/29/2003 9:04 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (19 of 43)  
 
  683.19 in reply to 683.9  
 
>>I wonder at the people (our leaders) who expect us to follow their leadership and their rules and laws yet they in turn Refuse to Follow Gods laws. << 
You wanta live in a theocracy, move to Iran. Me, I like America. 

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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/29/2003 11:58 am  
To:  JackTallant unread  (20 of 43)  
 
  683.20 in reply to 683.19  
 
Whats your point?

 

Iran is Muslim and worships a demon.

 

Do you think that you will escape the judgment of God apart from the cross of Jesus?

 

Apparently you have no knowledge of America or American history.

 

America is a Christian nation founded by Christian Pilgrims and in case you havent noticed America is probably the singularly Most Blessed Nation by God on this earth but yet you seem not to see the need to acknowledge or give thanks to God.

 

I for one will not Error along with you and your selfish blind conceit.

 

David



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To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (21 of 43)  
 
  683.21 in reply to 683.18  
 
Hi and Welcome!

 

Thanks for the excellent post.

 

It seems like America has been given the chance to choose between Blessings and Cursing between Life and Death between following Gods 10 Commandments and rejecting them.

 

Already in one day we are feeling the effects of the courts bad decision.

 

*Also I have wanted to point out the Geniuses of God in that in the New Covenant God has written His Commandment on our hearts and in our minds where no man can take them away. It does make me feel very safe and secure in my relationship with God knowing that no one can cover and then hijack Gods Laws from my heart and mind, but as a nation we do need to have public displays of Gods love and design for mankind.

 

Thanks again.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   8/29/2003 10:42 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (23 of 43)  
 
  683.23 in reply to 683.21  
 
Thanks, bro. we are in complete agree on this. 
Here's a copy of my note sent in response to the autoresponder 
at The White House. We ought to flood our President and 
representatives with our stringent protest/s against this 
truly abominable insult to GOD. . . . 

=============================================== 
To the President and Staff: 

Thank you. 

Please convey to the President my grave concern over the issue 
of INSULTING GOD and His Moral Authority and Commandments under the pretense of "the establishment clause." ! - this kind of thing could spell absolute disaster for our country. 

Yes, Virginia: THERE **IS** a REAL GOD. He Is VERY real 
and He rules this Universe, - morally and in every other way. 

Respectfully, 
Rev.Len Hummel 
Phoenix, AZ. 

ref/ 

* Isaiah 5:15 - **24,25** 

========================= 

================================================== 

From: Autoresponder@WhiteHouse.GOV 
To: jclch@hotmail.com 
Subject: 
Re: This Abomination of removing the commandments of God from public view... 

Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:49:18 -0500 (EST) 

Thank you for e-mailing President Bush. Your ideas and comments are very important to him. 

Because of the large volume of e-mail received, the President cannot personally respond to each message. However, the White House staff considers and reports citizen ideas and concerns. 

In addition to 

President@WhiteHouse.gov 

we have developed White House Web 
Mail, an automated e-mail response system. Please access 

------------------------------------------------- 


TWO HIGHLY RECOMMENDED BOOKS for those who are wondering or considering the validity of Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord: THE CASE FOR CHRIST, and THE CASE FOR FAITH, - both by journalist, legal expert, and author, Lee Strobel. - both of these books are a very, very worthwhile read. 
---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." - I Corinthians 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

* Truth Triumphs Over All *

(Always "speak the Truth in Love)...[see Profile] 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: Repentance, Forgiveness, Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love and Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * 



** The choices are yours...AND the consequences: whether good or evil. ** ~ ~Ecclesiastes 12:13,14. ~ 
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/31/2003 9:31 pm  
To:  ALL   (24 of 43)  
 
  683.24 in reply to 683.20  
 
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/patbuchanan/printpb20030831.shtml

townhall.com

Is America God's country, or not?

Pat Buchanan 

August 31, 2003


The granite monument of the Ten Commandments has been rolled out of the Alabama Supreme Court building in Montgomery. Chief Justice Roy Moore has been suspended. Yet, in his defeat there is victory. 

For Judge Moore's defiance exposed to all Americans the naked hostility of the court to any official expression of belief that we are a nation under God. His defiance revealed how far America has traveled from the Constitution of our Founding Fathers. 

We no longer see through a glass darkly. We can see clearly now.

Under the 9th and 10th Amendments, our Constitution reserved to the states and the people all powers not specifically ceded to the national government. Can anyone believe that Constitution gave to federal judges, who did not even exist in 1789, power to order sovereign states to tear down monuments that had God's law, the Ten Commandments, engraved upon them? Does anyone believe the Constitution would have been ratified, had the free and independent states understood they were ceding such powers?

In the last 50 years, the U.S. Supreme Court has erected a judicial dictatorship over a nation of 280 million, usurping powers never granted to it by the Constitution. Possessed of a deeply anti-Christian bias, that court has progressively de-Christianized America and established state atheism as our national religion. 

In every election, every poll, every survey, Americans decry it. Now Judge Moore has forced us to face up to it. Only by repeated acts of courageous defiance like his will we force President Bush and Congress to restore the republic that has been stolen from us. 

Judge Moore's stand has separated the sheep from the goats among our brethren. Some Christians cast their lot with Caesar, as others scattered like the disciples in the Garden of Gethsemane when the Roman soldiers came for Christ, sword in hand. 

Is it really right, our milquetoast brethren bleat, for us to defy lawful authority? Ought we not obey, as the Bible commands? But the question is: Whose law are we being ordered to obey?

Are the federal courts acting constitutionally? Are they acting in a way that commands obedience when they declare that no state may in any way acknowledge God, when our own coins say "In God We Trust"? 

Just who and what is Judge Moore defying? 

The First Amendment, declares U.S. Judge Myron Thomson. But that amendment reads, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibit the free exercise thereof."

Was Chief Justice Moore really trying to establish a Church of Alabama when he had placed in the rotunda of the courthouse that monument of the Decalogue? What church? The Ten Commandments are taken from the Old Testament sacred to Christians and the Torah sacred to Jews. Catholics number the commandments in a different order than does the monument.

Chief Justice Moore was only acknowledging that God Himself is the supreme law-giver and we are subject to his law. This may be offensive to Judge Thompson and Justices Souter, Stevens, Breyer and Ginsberg, but it was not offensive to the Founding Fathers. Finally, Judge Moore is saying, enough is enough. It is time to defy tyranny because all other recourse has been exhausted.

A half-century ago, the Supreme Court purged prayer from the public schools, an exercise of raw judicial power uncountenanced by the Constitution. Congress did nothing. The court then declared abortion a constitutional right. Forty-two million babies have since passed under the knife. Now, the court has declared sodomy to be a constitutional right. 

This renegade court is not following the Constitution, it is distorting the Constitution, perverting the Constitution to impose its ideology upon an unwilling nation, and relying upon the spirit of obedience of a law-abiding people, to get away with it. What are we supposed to do?

If you don't like the decisions, they say, go pass a constitutional amendment. But that requires the approval of two-thirds of both Houses of Congress and three-fourths of the states in seven years. And who decides what the amendment means when it is ratified? The same justices of the Supreme Court.

By usurping powers never granted to it, the Supreme Court has imposed a revolution upon our nation. Congress has refused to resist it. Presidents have refused. It is time for a counter-revolution to overthrow this rule of judges and restore our Constitution. 

The Founding Fathers who overthrew a king, less odious and tyrannical, would have understood.

 

2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

Contact Pat Buchanan | Read Buchanan's biography

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    8/31/2003 9:35 pm  
To:  ALL   (25 of 43)  
 
  683.25 in reply to 683.24  
 
The following is a link from spiritdaily.com

http://trinityrefuge.com/_wsn/page5.html

10 COMMANDMENTS REMOVAL PROPHECY

By Larry Taylor

I was awakened this morning about 9am and was struggling not to get out of bed, as I usually sleep to 11am, due to night shift work. However, I got up and started some coffee then turned on the Fox News channel in time to see the removal of the 10 Commandments Rock from it's location in Alabama.

As I drank some coffee the Headlines came on again as I was trying to wake up. I again saw the removal of the 10 Commandments Rock and the next news article was a story on how today, August 27th, was the very day that Planet Mars was closest in over a 60,000 year period of time...

All the sudden, I found myself suspended in the air over America and saw a great white wall surrounding the nation. It was a wall of protection around the nation that had been placed there by God. The great white wall had many cracks in it but it was still intact in guarding the nation. All the sudden I saw the wall crumble and fall into nothingness and it was completely gone. The wall had been removed in an instant and was completely gone. No more wall!

In my spirit, I heard a voice say, " Today this nation has demonstrated it's will to declare WAR on Me --- the God of the Bible and Author of the Words on the Rock that they chose to remove by force of their new law ---- what's right in their own eyes! This demonstration by the rulers of America is a direct declaration of "WAR" upon Me and Righteousness."

Then I heard, " Therefore, I do remove the Wall of Protection from this nation and it will not be rebuilt."

I felt a great heaviness come upon me but could not pray for the nation as my mind was stayed upon this terrible act of rejection by this nation to the very God who had protected it so well. But no more ---- the Wall is down now!!!

Then I remembered the date: August 27th, 2003. The very day was here that MARS - "god of War" is closest to the Earth!

The very SIGN was in the sky that WAR had been declared upon God's Word and this nation demonstrated it's leadership will to remove it! It is done-------and can this nation afford to pay the price---------NO WAY.......

Then came to my mind Jeremiah 7 verse 16: "Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up cry nor prayer for them, neither make intercession to Me: for I will not hear thee."

Jeremiah 7 is a chapter of the Bible where God, Himself rejects the people!!!

Well, August 27th, this year of 2003, has arrived with MARS "god of War" at it's closest approach to the Earth and the National demonstration of the removal of the Rock of God's Word supernaturally given to His people for all time. Can the SIGNS be any plainer than that?

Now we face a future with the Wall of Protection completely down and the downward spiral of this Nation as God rejects this people...

There is always a remnant and a witness in the land. Keep close to God as we see in the days ahead, judgment upon a nation that rejects God and remember, from this day forth, August 27th 2003, the Wall of Protection is NOW DOWN !!!

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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   9/1/2003 1:15 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (26 of 43)  
 
  683.26 in reply to 683.25  
 
Hi David. My spirit testifies that this is a true prophetic 
word from the LORD. 
We must PRAY for the Remnant of God's people in America as 
never before. Proud, secular, atheistic, idolatrous/coveteous 
America may have "stepped over the line" with this last 
slap at GOD's Majesty and Sovereignty. As if abortion and 
"gay marriages" were not enough. This was symbolically saying 
before the whole world: "WE WILL NOT HONOR NOR DISPLAY YOUR 
COMMANDMENTS! As a nation and government we honor manmade 
(false) "laws" above your commandments, precepts, and Person"! 

Speaking for myself, * my citizenship is in Heaven; my Sovereign 
is King Jesus. * period. * I am ashamed of America. I weep for 
America. and I PRAY, - I earnestly PRAY that GOD turns this for 
good [as only He can] for the salvation of souls and THE WAKING 
UP OF THE CHURCH in our nation. 

* Psalm 80; 83; and 94. * 

~ It is a time to mourn and cry out to the living GOD. ~ 


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---
"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." - I Corinthians 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

* Truth Triumphs Over All *

(Always "speak the Truth in Love)...[see Profile] 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 

* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Rev 22:10: for the time is at hand.
Rev 22:12: Behold, I am returning quickly. And My reward is with me, to repay to each person according to their work.{INTENT/motive in thought, word, and deed}

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: The most powerful Being and instrument in the Universe for separating spiritual Light from spiritual darkness. - AND HE IS SEPARATING THE TWO: RIGHT NOW.

* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat from the chaff...and the wheat from the tares. He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your spirit and your CHOICES.

* People are being *fixed* in their true INWARD spiritual condition by choices and responses to Jesus Christ and His redemptive work and words. - IT IS AN INWARD PREPARATION for The Final Seperation. *

~ Why? Because of the nearness of His appearing. {and for some this shall be unto honor and glory forever; for others: it shall be eternal shame, condemnation, and dishonor} 

~ CHOICES.

-----------------------------



WHAT IS HAPPENING?---> *Matthew 24:10-14* *Luke 21:22, 31-36* ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


* DO YOU HAVE AN ADVOCATE TO STAND BY YOUR SIDE THERE?


Ephesians 6:24: Grace be with all those that love our Lord Jesus Christ *in sincerity.* Amen.
Yes: IN SINCERITY, IN TRUTH AND REALITY!






** The choices are yours...AND the consequences: whether good or evil. ** ~ ~Ecclesiastes 12:13,14. ~ 
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   9/1/2003 3:58 am  
To:  ALL   (27 of 43)  
 
  683.27 in reply to 683.26  
 
Psalm 83 
A Song. A Psalm of Asaph. 

1 Do not keep silent, O God! 
Do not hold Your peace, 
And do not be still, O God! 
2 For behold, Your enemies make a tumult; 
And those who hate You have lifted up their head. 
3 They have taken crafty counsel against Your people, 
And consulted together against Your sheltered ones. 
4 They have said, "Come, and let us cut them off 
from being a nation, 
That the name of Israel may be remembered no more." 

5 For they have consulted together with one consent; 
They form a confederacy against You: 


12 Who said, "Let us take for ourselves 
The pastures of God for a possession." 

13 O my God, make them like the whirling dust, 
Like the chaff before the wind! 
14 As the fire burns the woods, 
And as the flame sets the mountains on fire, 
15 So pursue them with Your tempest, 
And frighten them with Your storm. 
16 Fill their faces with shame, 
That they may seek Your name, O LORD. 
17 Let them be confounded and dismayed forever; 
Yes, let them be put to shame and perish, 

18 That they may know that You, whose name alone 
is the LORD, 
Are the Most High over all the earth. 

============================================== 

and this cry from the heart of God's people . . . 

Psalm 80 :: New King James Version (NKJV) 

Psalm 80 

To the Chief Musician. Set to "The Lilies." 
A Testimony of Asaph. A Psalm. 

1 Give ear, O Shepherd of Israel, 
You who lead Joseph like a flock; 
You who dwell between the cherubim, shine forth! 
2 Before Ephraim, Benjamin, and Manasseh, 
Stir up Your strength, 
And come and save us! 

3 Restore us, O God; 
Cause Your face to shine, 
And we shall be saved! 

4 O LORD God of hosts, 
How long will You be angry 
Against the prayer of Your people? 
5 You have fed them with the bread of tears, 
And given them tears to drink in great measure. 
6 You have made us a strife to our neighbors, 
And our enemies laugh among themselves. 

========================================= 

7 Restore us, O God of hosts; 
Cause Your face to shine, 
And we shall be saved! 

======================================== 

8 You have brought a vine out of Egypt; 
You have cast out the nations, and planted it. 
9 You prepared room for it, 
And caused it to take deep root, 
And it filled the land. 
10 The hills were covered with its shadow, 
And the mighty cedars with its boughs. 
11 She sent out her boughs to the Sea, 
And her branches to the River. 

12 Why have You broken down her hedges, 
So that all who pass by the way pluck her fruit? 
13 The boar out of the woods uproots it, 
And the wild beast of the field devours it. 

[Why? we know why] 

14 Return, we beseech You, O God of hosts; 
Look down from heaven and see, 
And visit this vine 
15 And the vineyard which Your right hand has planted, 
And the branch that You made strong for Yourself. 
16 It is burned with fire, it is cut down; 
They perish at the rebuke of Your countenance. 
17 Let Your hand be upon the man of Your right hand, 
Upon the son of man whom You made strong for Yourself. 

18 Then we will not turn back from You; 
Revive us, and we will call upon Your name. 

19 Restore us, O LORD God of hosts; 
Cause Your face to shine, 
And we shall be saved! 

======================================= 

- to this I can add nothing but a weeping, a cry, and 
a loud Amen! 

============================== 

* Psalm 94 * 

============= 
-> Isaiah 54:15-17 
"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... 
all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." - I 
Corinthians 13. 

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8* 
---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* 

Isaiah 41: 
10 Fear not, for I am with you; 
Be not dismayed, for I am your God. 
I will strengthen you, 
Yes, I will help you, 
I will uphold you with My righteous right hand.' 
11 "Behold, all those who were incensed against you 
Shall be ashamed and disgraced; 
They shall be as nothing, 
And those who strive with you shall perish. 
12 You shall seek them and not find them-- 
Those who contended with you. 
Those who war against you 
Shall be as nothing, 
As a nonexistent thing. 
13 For I, the LORD your God, will hold your right hand, 
Saying to you, "Fear not, I will help you.' 


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS 
* Truth Triumphs Over All * 
(Always "speak the Truth in Love)...[see Profile] 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time 
for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends 
upon your honesty and humility before GOD) 

* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) 
RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * 
* He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 

It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> 
YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS 
GOD's Way to mercy, grace, and forgiveness... 
and TRANSFORMATION! * Be sure you answer when 
GOD comes knocking at the door of your heart! * 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/1/2003 9:08 am  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (28 of 43)  
 
  683.28 in reply to 683.27  
 
Hi,

 

Excellent Post,

 

I agree we are an Open Insult to God!

 

It is up to the Church to remover ourselves from the Evil ways of this world and to set such an Example of Love and Faith towards God that the World has to take notice.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   9/2/2003 2:14 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (29 of 43)  
 
  683.29 in reply to 683.25  
 
As per the prophecy you quoted: 
"There is always a remnant and a witness in the land. 

Keep close to God as we see in the days ahead, judgment upon a nation that rejects God and remember, from this day forth, 
August 27th 2003, the Wall of Protection is NOW DOWN !!!" >>>>> 

>>>>>Judgement is for the world that rejects Him; 

mercy [and purging/sanctification] is for His people. 

~ we are going to see more and more of both. ~ 

Shalom 
and God bless. 


TWO HIGHLY RECOMMENDED BOOKS for those who are wondering or considering the validity of Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord: THE CASE FOR CHRIST, and THE CASE FOR FAITH, - both by journalist, legal expert, and author, Lee Strobel. - both of these books are a very, very worthwhile read. 
---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." - I Corinthians 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

* Truth Triumphs Over All *

(Always "speak the Truth in Love)...[see Profile] 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: Repentance, Forgiveness, Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love and Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * 

NOTHING YOU AND I CAN OR WILL EVER DO can substitute for the mercy and grace found in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ, The Lamb of God. * HE IS The ONLY Way to forgiveness and reconciliation with GOD. WITHOUT THE BLOOD ATONEMENT THERE IS NO REMISSION OF THE ETERNAL CONSEQUENCES OF SIN. ---> The ETERNAL consequences of sin. 

* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


Rev 22:10: for the time is at hand.
Rev 22:12: Behold, I am returning quickly. And My reward is with me, to repay to each person according to their work.{INTENT/motive in thought, word, and deed}

THE LORD JESUS CHRIST: The most powerful Being and instrument in the Universe for separating spiritual Light from spiritual darkness. - AND HE IS SEPARATING THE TWO: RIGHT NOW.

* WHAT is He separating? - The wheat from the chaff...and the wheat from the tares. He is (at this moment) preparing the world for judgement, and (simultaneously) preparing an Eternal Bride for His Most Beloved Son. - which group you belong to depends upon your spirit and your CHOICES.

* People are being *fixed* in their true INWARD spiritual condition by choices and responses to Jesus Christ and His redemptive work and words. - IT IS AN INWARD PREPARATION for The Final Seperation. *

~ Why? Because of the nearness of His appearing. {and for some this shall be unto honor and glory forever; for others: it shall be eternal shame, condemnation, and dishonor} 

~ CHOICES.

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** Malachi 3:1-4, + 16-18 **

---------------------------------



Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

but the wise shall understand. 


WHAT IS HAPPENING?---> *Matthew 24:10-14* *Luke 21:22, 31-36* ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!



It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, and forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! * Be sure you answer when GOD comes knocking at the door of your heart! * 

** The choices are yours...AND the consequences: whether good or evil. ** ~ ~Ecclesiastes 12:13,14. ~ 
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/2/2003 12:37 pm  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (30 of 43)  
 
  683.30 in reply to 683.29  
 
Hi,

 

Thanks,

 

I agree Gods Mercy abounds.

 

I also consider that America politically & Socially is at war with God and I thought it was interesting that it happened on a day that the planet Mars was the closest. I think God is sending a message and I pray that I have ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to the Church.

 

The article was boldly written by someone else and I appreciate their boldness, I dont want anyone to think that I wrote it, however I do agree with most of it.

 

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   9/2/2003 11:21 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (31 of 43)  
 
  683.31 in reply to 683.30  
 
Like I said, brother: the Church in America must pray 
and repent and seek GOD like never before. 
It really is a matter of urgency 

as per II Chron.7:14. 

==================== 

what a heartbreak and grief it is to see things happening 
like this. 

God bless. 


"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." - 1 Corinthians 13.
*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

* Truth Triumphs Over All *

(Always "speak the Truth in Love")...[see Profile] 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
NOTHING YOU AND I CAN OR WILL EVER DO can substitute for the mercy and grace found in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ, The Lamb of God. 

* HE IS The ONLY Way to forgiveness and reconciliation with GOD. WITHOUT THE BLOOD ATONEMENT THERE IS NO REMISSION OF THE ETERNAL CONSEQUENCES OF SIN. ---> The ETERNAL consequences of sin. 

* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 



WHAT IS HAPPENING?---> *Matthew 24:10-14* *Luke 21:22, 31-36* ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!



JESUS: He Is The Ultimate Answer to every Ultimate Need and Question. - HE IS The Lord GOD and Savior: Mercy, Grace, ~ Truth and Salvation ~ IS FOR THOSE WHO RECEIVE HIM...IN TRUTH and * from the heart. *


It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! 
* Be sure you answer when GOD comes knocking at the door of your heart! * 


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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   9/12/2003 2:34 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (32 of 43)  
 
  683.32 in reply to 683.1  
 
Hi David. Regarding the evils of our secular nation and 
government . . . 
Here's something I managed to dig up on another forum. 
It makes very interesting reading . . . yes, somewhat 
controversial, but very, very interesting . . . 

MYSTERY BABYLON: WHAT THE PROPHETS SAID ABOUT BABYLON 

1. Babylon would be an END TIME GREAT NATION (Rev 17,18; Isa 13:6). 

2. Babylon would have a huge seaport city within its borders 
(Rev 18:17). 

3. The Great City Babylon is the home of a world government attempt (Rev 14: 9; 17:18). 

4. The Great City Babylon would be the economic nerve center of the world (Rev 18:3). 

5. Babylon would be the center of a one world Luciferian religious movement(Jer 51:44). 

6. Babylon would be the center for the move to a global economic order (Rev 13:16). 

BABYLON THE NATION 
====================== 

1. Babylon would be the youngest and greatest of the end time nations (Jer 50:12). 
2. Babylon would be the Queen among the nations (Isa 47:5,7; 
Rev 18:7)). 
3. Babylon would be the most powerful nation in the world (Isa 47; Jer 50,51; Rev 18). 
4.Babylon would be the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH (Jer 50:23; 
Rev 18:23). 
5. Babylon is called a lady, and has the symbol of the lady 
(Isa 47:7,9). 
6. Babylon would be the praise of the WHOLE EARTH (Jer 51:41). 
7. Babylon is center of world trade (Jer 51:41; Rev 17:18; 18:19). 
8. Babylon would grow to be the richest nation in the World 
(Rev 18:3, 7, 19, 23). 
9. All nations that traded with Babylon would grow rich (Rev 18:3). 
10. The merchants of Babylon were the GREAT MEN OF THE EARTH 
(Rev 18:23). 
11. Babylon is a huge nation, with lands, cities, and great wealth (implied throughout). 
12. Babylon is nation "peeled", or timbered, a land of open fields (Isa 18:2). 
13. Babylon is land quartered by mighty rivers (Isa 18:2). 
14. Babylon is a land that is measured out, and populated throughout (Isa 18:2). 
15. Babylon destroys her own land, with pollution and waste 
(Isa 14:20; 18, 2, 7). 
16. Babylon is a land rich in mineral wealth (Jer 51:13). 
17. Babylon is a the leading agricultural nation of the world 
(Jer 50, 51; Rev 18). 
18. Babylon is the leading exporting nation in the world (Jer 51:13; Rev 18). 
19. Babylon is the leading importing nation of the entire world 
(Jer 50,51; Rev 18). 
20. Babylon is a nation filled with warehouses and granaries 
(Jer 50:26). 
21. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51; Rev 18). 
22.Babylon is noted for her horses (Jer 50:37). 
23. Babylon is noted for her cattle, sheep and other livestock 
(Jer 50:26, 27; Rev 18). 
24. Babylon is noted for her fine flour and mill operations 
(Rev 18:3). 
25. Babylon is a nation of farmers and harvests huge crops 
(Jer 50: 16, 26, 27). 
26. Babylon is a huge exporter of MUSIC (Rev 18:22). 
27. Babylons musicians are known around the world (Rev 18:22). 
28. Babylon has a huge aviation program (Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53; 
Hab 1:6-10). 
29. Babylon's skies are filled with the whisper of aircraft wings (Isa 18:1; Jer 51:53). 
30. Babylon has a huge space industry, has "monted up to the heavens (Jer 51: 53). 
31. Babylon fortifies her skies with a huge military aviation program (Jer 51:53). 
32. Babylon is portrayed as a leading in high tech weapons and abilities (Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10;implied throughout). 
33. Babylon is a nation filled with warm water seaports 
(Rev 18:17-19). 
34. Babylon is a coastal nation and sits upon MANY WATERS 
(Jer 51:13). 
35. Babylon trades with all who have ships in the sea year round 
(Rev 18: 17-18). 
36. Babylon is a nation filled with a "mingled" people (Jer 50:37). 
37. Babylon is a SINGULAR NATION founded upon OUT OF MANY, ONE 
(Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51, Hab 1). 
38. Babylon is a REPUBLIC or a DEMOCRACY, it is ruled by many counsels (Isa 47: 13). 
39. Babylon's government system breaks down (Isa 47: 13). 
40. Babylon is bogged down with deliberations and cannot govern properly (Isa 47:13). 
41. Babylon's leaders use astrology, and mystics for guidance 
(Isa 47:13; Rev 18:2). 
42. Babylon labored in the occult from her very inception 
(Isa 47:12). 
43. Babylon falls to the occult just before her end by nuclear fire (Rev 18:2). 
44. Babylon was born as a CHRISTIAN NATION (Jer 50:12). 
45. Babylon turns upon its heritage and destroys it all in the end (Jer 50:11). 
46. Babylon's Christian leaders lead their flock astray in prophecy and salvation (Jer 50:6; Implied Rev 18:2). 
47. Babylon's Christian leaders are "strangers" in the Lord's Houses of Worship (Jer 51:51). 
48. The people of Babylon are deep into astrology and spiritism 
(Isa 47:12; Rev 18:2). 
49. Babylon becomes the home of all antichrist religions in the world (Rev 18:2). 
50. Babylon is a nation of religious confusion (Isa 47:12-13). 

(continued) . . . 


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." - 1 Corinthians 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

* Truth Triumphs Over All *

(Always "speak the Truth in Love")...[see Profile] 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
NOTHING YOU AND I CAN OR WILL EVER DO can substitute for the mercy and grace found in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ, The Lamb of God. 

* HE IS The ONLY Way to forgiveness and reconciliation with GOD. WITHOUT THE BLOOD ATONEMENT THERE IS NO REMISSION OF THE ETERNAL CONSEQUENCES OF SIN. ---> The ETERNAL consequences of sin. 

* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


but the wise shall understand. 


WHAT IS HAPPENING?---> *Matthew 24:10-14* *Luke 21:22, 31-36* ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   9/12/2003 2:38 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (33 of 43)  
 
  683.33 in reply to 683.1  
 
(continued) . . . 
51. Babylon turns upon its own people and imprisons and slays them by the millions (Jer 50:7 33; 51:35; 39; Dan 7:25; Rev 13:7; 17:6; 18:24). 
52. Babylon sets off detention centers for Jews and Christians and rounds them up for extermination (Jer 50:7, 33; 51:35, 49; Rev 17:6; 18:24). 

53. Babylon has a mother nation that remains in existence from her birth to death (Jer 50: 12). 

54. The mother of Babylon has the symbol of the LION (Dan 7:4; Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38; Psalm 17:12). 

55. The mother of Babylon will rule over her daughter her entire life (Dan 7:4; Jer 50:12). 
56. The mother of Babylon will be a state of major decline as the end nears (Jer 50:12). 
57. Babylon is considered to be a lion's whelp (Eze 38:13; 
Jer 51:38). 

58. Babylon will have the symbol of the EAGLE and builds her nest in the stars (Dan 7:4 EAGLE WINGS; Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53). 

59. Babylon turns totally antichrist and is the leading antichrist power at the end (Rev 18:2; Isa 14: 4-6). 
60. THE KING OF BABYLON is called LUCIFER, the ANTICHRIST 
(Isa 14: 4-6). 
61. The king of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON 
(Isa 14: 4-6; Rev 17: 18). 
62. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY (Isa 14; Hab 2, Rev 13, 17, 18). 
63. This world entity will be a diverse entity, different than all other ruling bodies of the world (Dan 7:7, 23). 
64. This entity will be a TREATY POWER ENTITY (Dan 7:7, 23 DIVERSE). 
65. This entity will rise up and use the military power of Babylon the nation to RULE THE WORLD (Isa 14:4-6; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13, 17). 

66. Babylon is a huge producer and exporter of automobiles 
(Jer 50:37; Rev 18:13). 
67. Babylon is a nation of CRAFTSMEN, expert in their trade 
(Jer 50, 51, rev 18:22). 

68. Babylon is noted for her jewelry of gold and silver (Rev 18: 22). 
69. Babylon is a huge importer and exporter of spices (Rev 18:13). 
70. Babylon is a huge exporter of fine marble products (rev 18:22). 
71. Babylon is noted for her iron and steel production (Rev 18:12). 

72. Babylon has huge corporations that have bases around the world (Rev 18:23 implied throughout). 


~ and there's more. ~ 

(just something to think and pray about) . . . 


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." - 1 Corinthians 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

* Truth Triumphs Over All *

(Always "speak the Truth in Love")...[see Profile] 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 

Daniel 12:10: Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; 

but the wise shall understand. 


WHAT IS HAPPENING?---> *Matthew 24:10-14* *Luke 21:22, 31-36* ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!

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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   9/12/2003 2:46 am  
To:  ALL   (34 of 43)  
 
  683.34 in reply to 683.1  
 
(continued) . . . re: The THREE Babylons: 
Two symbolic; one literal. 

71. Babylon is noted for her iron and steel production (Rev 18:12). 
72. Babylon has huge corporations that have bases around the world (Rev 18:23 implied throughout). 

73. Babylon is a nation of higher education and learning 
(Isa 47:10, implied throughout). 

74. Babylon is a nation with a GREAT VOICE in world affairs 
(Jer 51: 55). 

75. Babylon is a VIRGIN NATION, untouched by major war (Isa 47:1). 

76. Babylon has a vast military machine (Jer 50:36; 51:30; 
Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13:4). 

77. Babylon will be instrumental in the setting up of Israel in the Middle East, and is the home of God's people (Jer 50:47; 51:45). 

78. Babylon will have a major enemy to her north (Jer 50:3, 9, 41). 
79. Babylon's enemy will lie on the opposite side of the world, over the poles (Isa 13:5). 
80. The enemy of Babylon will be a FEDERAL OF NATIONS (Jer 50:9). 

81. The enemy of Babylon will be largely Moslem in make-up 
(Jer 50:17; Rev 17:16 Psalms 83: 5-12). 

82. The enemy of Babylon will have nuclear missiles capable of reaching Babylon (Jer 50: 9, 14; Rev 18:8, 18). 
83. The enemy of Babylon will be noted for her cruelty 
(Isa 13, 14, Jer 50, 51, Rev 17, 18). 
84. The enemy of Babylon will also have a huge aviation military machine (Jer 50: 9, 14, Rev 18:8, 18 implied throughout). 

85. The enemy of Babylon will come into Babylon unnoticed (Isa 47:11, Jer 50:24; 51:2, 14). 

86. Babylon will be filled with her enemies brought in under the guise of peace (Dan 11: 21). 
87. Babylon will have all of her borders cut off, and there will be no way of escape (Jer 50: 28; 51: 32). 
88. Babylon will be destroyed by nuclear fire (Implied Throughout). 

89. Babylon is a vast land with huge cities, towns and villages throughout (Implied throughout). 

90. Babylon will have been a hugely blessed and a missionary nation for Jesus Christ (Jer 50: 11; 51:7). 

91. Babylon would be a home to multitudes of Jews who leave 
(Jer 50:4-6, 8; 51:6, 45). 

92. The people of Babylon would not know their true identity 
(Jer 50:6, Rev 13: 16, 17, 18 implied throughout). 

93. The people of babylon would think they are God's elect and eternal (Isa 47:7-8, Rev 18:7). 

94. The people of Babylon would enjoy the highest standard of living in the world (Rev 18:7). 

95. The people of Babylon would grow mad upon their idols 
(Jer 50:2, 38; Hab 2:18). 
96. The people of Babylon would go into deep sins of all kinds 
(Rev 18:5). 

97. The nation of Babylon dwells carelessly before the Lord 
(Isa 47:8). 

98. Babylon becomes proud, haughty, and does not consider her end (Isa 47: 7-8). 

99. Babylon deals in the occult, in sorceries and drugs 
(Isa 47:9, 12; Rev 18:23). 

- WHAT OTHER NATION fits this (endtime) description ? OTHER THAN 

THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. ? think about it. 

=============================================== 

Please understand: 
There are THREE BABYLONS found in the Bible: 

1) The Geographical Babylon [ie/ present-day Iraq and portions of 
Iran] This is the geographical location and origin of the world's 
"mystery religions." [the occultic/Babylonian/Sumerian/ and 
Egyptian mystery religions] - It is also, almost certainly, the 
place of ancient Eden {Paradise} from which Mankind has fallen. 

2) THE COMMERCIAL/SECULAR/CULTURAL MYSTERY BABYLON [ie/ America, 
Hollywood, and the global media/culture + "The New World Order" 
which includes the EU and the U.N.] - but the very ESSENCE and 
CENTER of the commercial and secular Babylon is the United States. 

and 

3) THE RELIGIOUS MYSTERY BABYLON [ie/ The worldwide Ecumenical 
Movement spearheaded by the Vatican and "her apostate daughters." 
along with the New Age Movement and "The Plan" which encompasses 
every major and minor religious group which will tag along] 
- It is the Global/Harlot Religion headed by the False Prophet 
and the Antichrist and his false kingdom. 

=================================================== 

and yes, for those having ears to hear and eyes to see: 
it is very, very definitely happening RIGHT NOW. - ** THIS ** 
generation "shall see all things comes to pass..." 

Maranatha ! 

================================================ 

Please note: this is merely an overview on the subject of 
"The Two Mystery Bablyons of Revelation." - it is NOT a 
vital area that necessarily needs agreement. It is only 
something that I am offering for your consideration. 

~ I could be wrong on this prophetic interpretation...but, 
frankly, I think I am right. 

------------------------------- 

God bless 
and Shalom. 


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." - 1 Corinthians 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

* Truth Triumphs Over All *

(Always "speak the Truth in Love")...[see Profile] 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 


WHAT IS HAPPENING?---> *Matthew 24:10-14* * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!


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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   9/12/2003 2:53 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (35 of 43)  
 
  683.35 in reply to 683.1  
 
Hi David. Just a little additional food for thought . . . 
The whole thing with "Mystery Babylon" is that 

1) There is *definitely* a RELIGIOUS Mystery Babylon. - almost 
everyone agrees on this. 

2) There is clearly a geographical/historical Babylon, - and it 
is present-day Iraq. - NO ONE disputes this fact. 

The *real* controversy is: 

* WHO and WHAT is the RELIGIOUS Mystery Babylon;? 

and 

* WHO and WHAT is the SECULAR/CULTURAL/POLITICAL/ECONOMIC 
Babylon.? 
[ in other words, is there, in fact, a THIRD "Babylon" and a 
secondary "Mystery Babylon" of the last days? ] 
I say there is. The ONLY nation which fits this description 
(if you read the prophetic passages carefully) is the United 
States of America. - a nation [mostly] founded upon 
quasi-christian and [mostly] MASONIC agendas. 

All I ask is for real truth-seekers to examine the prophetic 
evidence; much of it is presented in the posts found on this 
thread. 

------------------------------ 

all the best 
and God bless. 


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." - 1 Corinthians 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

* Truth Triumphs Over All *

(Always "speak the Truth in Love")...[see Profile] 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
NOTHING YOU AND I CAN OR WILL EVER DO can substitute for the mercy and grace found in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ, The Lamb of God. 

* HE IS The ONLY Way to forgiveness and reconciliation with GOD. WITHOUT THE BLOOD ATONEMENT THERE IS NO REMISSION OF THE ETERNAL CONSEQUENCES OF SIN. ---> The ETERNAL consequences of sin. 

* GOD IS SEARCHING EVERY HEART AND THEIR (actual) RELATIONSHIP TO HIS SON AND ETERNAL WORD! * * He is looking for REALITY: not pretense! * 


but the wise shall understand. 


WHAT IS HAPPENING?---> *Matthew 24:10-14* *Luke 21:22, 31-36* ~ II Timothy 3:1-9, plus verses 12-15. * HEBREWS 12:25-29 * 
- and THAT is what's happening. *FOR REAL* 

THE FINAL SIFTING IS IN FULL-THROTTLE!



It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! 
* Be sure you answer when GOD comes knocking at the door of your heart! * 


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/12/2003 1:23 pm  
To:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)   (36 of 43)  
 
  683.36 in reply to 683.35  
 
Hi,

 

Every interesting and informative article!

 

Reading and Studying the Bibles End Time passages is like reading todays newspaper.

 

Thanks,

God Bless You,
David




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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/29/2003 11:46 am  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (37 of 43)  
 
  683.37 in reply to 683.2  
 
Hi Amy,

I wanted to forward this email to you it's in the next post.

It appears that the 10 Commandments Issue will eventually be a Supreme Court decision.

I think I already regret their decision.

God Bless You,
David



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    9/29/2003 11:48 am  
To:  ALL   (38 of 43)  
 
  683.38 in reply to 683.2  
 
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W A S H I N G T O N, D. C.

From the Desk of:
Rev. Rob Schenck

9/27/03

Dear David,

I am thrilled to announce to you that Faith  & Action is
taking the Ten Commandments battle from Montgomery,
Alabama to Washington, D.C. in a historic "Save The
Commandments Caravan"!

Faith & Action is sponsoring this five-state Caravan
urging the Court to reverse the lower court ruling
banning the Ten Commandments and calling on Congress
to formally display the Commandments in the rotunda
of the Capitol building.

Each step of the way I will be heading up this incredible
effort that will conclude at the steps of the U.S.
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The Caravan features a spectacular lighted mobile
billboard of the Ten Commandments as well as a
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Commandments every step of the way, I am inviting you
to be among the very first to join our "virtual caravan"
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in support of the Ten Commandments by clicking here:

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+ + + + YOUR PETITION FEATURED ON THE CARAVAN

The Save the Commandments Caravan will depart Montgomery, Alabama,
THIS SUNDAY, September 28, and arrive at the steps of the
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Along the way, the caravan will make critical stops in
Atlanta, Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham, Virginia Beach, Lynchburg
and other important cities.

At each stop, I will be presenting your petition along with
thousands of others as we build support for immediate action
on two key fronts:

          1. For the U.S. Supreme Court to hear Chief Justice
             Moores case and immediately overturn the outrageous
             lower court order banning the Ten Commandments;

          2. For the U.S. Congress to move quickly to display the
             Alabama Monument or similar monument in the Rotunda
             of the U.S. Capitol.

But first, I must hear from you.

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250,000 CITIZENS NEEDED
FOR THE VIRTUAL CARAVAN
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Our goal is to rally a quarter-million citizens from across
the nation to join the "Virtual Caravan" from Montgomery to
our nation's capital.

But it starts with you.

Click here right now to join our "Virtual Caravan":

http://www.grassfire.net/36/petition.asp?RID=1246062

Thanks for standing with us in the battle to save
the Ten Commandments.


Rev. Rob Schenck
Faith and Action in the Nations Capital
"Bringing the Word of God to bear on the hearts and minds of
those who make public policy."
www.faithandaction.org
109 Second Street, NE
Washington, DC 20002
703-257-5593

P.S. You have stood with me each step of the Ten Commandments
battle. Now, please be among the first to join our "Virtual
Caravan" as we take the case for the Commandments from
Montgomery to Washington, D.C.

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JOIN THE "SAVE THE COMMANDMETNS" CARAVAN AND URGE
CONGRESS AND THE SUPREME COURT TO DEFEND THE COMMANDMENTS:

http://www.grassfire.net/36/petition.asp?RID=1246062

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INFORMATION ON THE CARAVAN:

http://www.grassfire.net/35/about.asp


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Questions on the Petition? info@faithandaction.com

Or, visit our website: http://www.faithandaction.org



David A. Brown
Basic Christian: Forum
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  From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    9/29/2003 8:57 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (39 of 43)  
 
  683.39 in reply to 683.38  
 
PRAISE GOD! and more power to them! 
I am going to make a contribution this week to help out. 

blessings. 

Len 


---> Isaiah 54:15-17 <---

"If you have not [and show not] (Divine) Love... all the rest profits you exactly NOTHING." - 1 Corinthians 13.

*LenBenHear/FranknSense/Romans 8:14 + John 3:8*

---> Isaiah 41:10-13 *Psalm 94:1-16, 21-23.* <---


VINCIT OMNIA VERITAS

* Truth Triumphs Over All *

(Always "speak the Truth in Love")...[see Profile] 

* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


 
and JESUS said, "I AM The Way, The Truth, and The [Eternal} Life [of GOD], *no one* shall be reconciled back to The Father except by Me." - "I AM the door..." - and you walk thru that door *on your knees.* For you see, The Way is: Repentance, Forgiveness, Transformation, and to walk in the Light as He is in the Light: to walk in the Light of His Love and Truth. * 

* There IS no other way. * mercy/grace/truth/and holiness. 



It all has to do with *fruit* and destiny.---> YOUR choices. Choose Him: choose Life. HE IS GOD's Way to mercy, grace, forgiveness... and TRANSFORMATION! 
* Be sure you answer when GOD comes knocking at the door of your heart! * 


** The choices are yours...AND the consequences: whether good or evil. ** ~ ~Ecclesiastes 12:13,14. ~ 
IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN "...FAITH that WORKETH by Love..." and GRACE that is made manifest BY FRUIT. - "faith without fruit is DEAD, being alone." Selah.

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   From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     10/1/2003 1:01 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (40 of 43)  
 
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Hi David,

Thanks.  

Whose decision do you regret?  the Supreme Court's? or the people doing the 'Caravan?'

and why, if I may ask?

Amy
 
  
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From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/1/2003 4:09 pm  
To:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)    (41 of 43)  
 
  683.41 in reply to 683.40  
 
Hi,

 

Thanks for asking for clarification.

 

I Totally Support the Caravan and all things 10 Commandments.

 

I will regret the Courts decision if they do become so misguided and deceived that they think their own laws are better than Gods Laws and remove the 10 Commandments.

 

God Bless You,
David



David A. Brown
Basic Christian: Forum
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  From:  Christ, our Hope (amym38)     10/2/2003 12:35 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (42 of 43)  
 
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ok, thanks, David.  God bless you, too. :) 
  
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   From:  LenBenHEAR/LIFE_or_death:SEE: John 3:36 (franknsense)    Dec-30 3:41 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (43 of 43)  
 
  683.43 in reply to 683.1  
 
Hi David. good to see you again. 
On the theme of this thread, here is a very 
interesting website that, - tho I do not agree with 
all of it, - makes clear the reasons why America's 
government has become so compromised and even, yes, evil: 

www.sackclothministries.com 

- they may be more right than most people are at all 
willing to admit. (!) 

God bless. 


~ CHOICES. ~


 
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--> but the wise SHALL understand. <-- 


~ The wise receive; the wicked and proud go away empty, receiving nothing. ~ 
* There is a time for mercy...and a time for Judgement. * - (which one you get depends upon your honesty and humility before GOD)


sanctification. - who've got to have it: inwardly AND outwardly. fruit and motives are everything. 




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~ PLEASE NOTE: 

YOU will be EITHER the cross on His right...or the cross on His left. - these symbolize the whole of humanity in relation to Him: The Savior and Judge of every soul. And THIS I declare to you both in love and in the authority of His Holy Name and Word: for you *are* EITHER {and *WILL be* either}one or the other. ~ Selah. {pause and ponder that very carefully}

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